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		<title>By: Dan Quotes</title>
		<link>http://www.jameschoung.net/2008/09/30/on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2921</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Quotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, they can not be non profit. I am work in insurance industry and i totally agree!

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, they can not be non profit. I am work in insurance industry and i totally agree!</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: James Choung</title>
		<link>http://www.jameschoung.net/2008/09/30/on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2894</link>
		<dc:creator>James Choung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments! They&#039;ve been helpful, and have stimulated some good thought for me. For those who think Doug comes off a bit strong, he&#039;s my son&#039;s godfather and a close and deeply trusted friend. We have conversations like this all the time around the dinner table, but sometimes it comes off harsher over cyberspace.

Graham, thanks for the fact-checking. At the lowest, most conservative number, 8.2 million is still a lot of people.

Steve, I love the Canadian voice. It&#039;s a nice doze of reality. Moore&#039;s always making Canada look good! 

I&#039;m actually most helped by Danny&#039;s link to Frontline. Far more balanced than Moore. I love this program in general (esp. after an expose on the porn industry), and it was helpful to hear the different strategies that countries have taken. I like how the program concludes with three suggestions, even though it seems open to having either health care run by government or private practice. But here are his three:

1. Health insurance companies must accept everyone and cannot be for-profit. 

2. Have mandatory insurance for everyone (like we do with car insurance in many states).

3. Create a standard set of medical fees for health care in the country.

I think it&#039;s great, and Taiwan set a good example by learning from other healthcare system&#039;s pros and cons. And our purely market system of healthcare really does leave many hung out to dry. 

Thanks for the conversation. I feel like I have a better idea of what&#039;s needed in healthcare reform than when I first started. And if we go the whole way, tort reform could be helpful to drive costs even lower -- thanks Doug! A holistic answer is better than a one-sided approach anyway!

Now, how do we get this to happen?

Also, some good news: my father-in-law has been declared clean of cancer! Thank you for your prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments! They&#8217;ve been helpful, and have stimulated some good thought for me. For those who think Doug comes off a bit strong, he&#8217;s my son&#8217;s godfather and a close and deeply trusted friend. We have conversations like this all the time around the dinner table, but sometimes it comes off harsher over cyberspace.</p>
<p>Graham, thanks for the fact-checking. At the lowest, most conservative number, 8.2 million is still a lot of people.</p>
<p>Steve, I love the Canadian voice. It&#8217;s a nice doze of reality. Moore&#8217;s always making Canada look good! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually most helped by Danny&#8217;s link to Frontline. Far more balanced than Moore. I love this program in general (esp. after an expose on the porn industry), and it was helpful to hear the different strategies that countries have taken. I like how the program concludes with three suggestions, even though it seems open to having either health care run by government or private practice. But here are his three:</p>
<p>1. Health insurance companies must accept everyone and cannot be for-profit. </p>
<p>2. Have mandatory insurance for everyone (like we do with car insurance in many states).</p>
<p>3. Create a standard set of medical fees for health care in the country.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great, and Taiwan set a good example by learning from other healthcare system&#8217;s pros and cons. And our purely market system of healthcare really does leave many hung out to dry. </p>
<p>Thanks for the conversation. I feel like I have a better idea of what&#8217;s needed in healthcare reform than when I first started. And if we go the whole way, tort reform could be helpful to drive costs even lower &#8212; thanks Doug! A holistic answer is better than a one-sided approach anyway!</p>
<p>Now, how do we get this to happen?</p>
<p>Also, some good news: my father-in-law has been declared clean of cancer! Thank you for your prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you want our health care system up here?!  Have you ever wondered why Canadians in droves drive accross the border for cat scans and cancer treatments?  Our doctor shortage and wait times for critical care is atrocious.  I&#039;d take a loooong look at the &quot;blessings&quot; of the Canadian system before jumping into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you want our health care system up here?!  Have you ever wondered why Canadians in droves drive accross the border for cat scans and cancer treatments?  Our doctor shortage and wait times for critical care is atrocious.  I&#8217;d take a loooong look at the &#8220;blessings&#8221; of the Canadian system before jumping into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

You wrote:
&quot;...I can’t seem to find the fact checkers on this particular movie.&quot;

This article attacks the &quot;47 million Americans&quot; number as too large, by looking further into the census data.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070718153509.aspx 

And here&#039;s a kind of fact-check from CNN. It&#039;s actually a response to Moore&#039;s response to their initial on-air fact-checking.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/15/moore.gupta/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>You wrote:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;I can’t seem to find the fact checkers on this particular movie.&#8221;</p>
<p>This article attacks the &#8220;47 million Americans&#8221; number as too large, by looking further into the census data.<br />
<a href="http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070718153509.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070718153509.aspx</a> </p>
<p>And here&#8217;s a kind of fact-check from CNN. It&#8217;s actually a response to Moore&#8217;s response to their initial on-air fact-checking.<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/15/moore.gupta/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/15/moore.gupta/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: dpark</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PBS has a pretty neat Frontline documentary on health care systems around the world in similar rich countries (but have universal, affordable coverage of some kind), exploring pros/cons of each.  Less Moore, more PBS/Washington Post.

Britain, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, Switzerland.

Watch the full episode online!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PBS has a pretty neat Frontline documentary on health care systems around the world in similar rich countries (but have universal, affordable coverage of some kind), exploring pros/cons of each.  Less Moore, more PBS/Washington Post.</p>
<p>Britain, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, Switzerland.</p>
<p>Watch the full episode online!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.jameschoung.net/2008/09/30/on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2882</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It bothers me deeply that $700 billion dollars (after years of an ever increasing deficit) can be planned overnight when we can&#039;t figure out bipartisan ways to take care of our sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It bothers me deeply that $700 billion dollars (after years of an ever increasing deficit) can be planned overnight when we can&#8217;t figure out bipartisan ways to take care of our sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took my Corvette to the mechanic today. It was missing on a few cylinders, the car pulled right if you let go of the steering wheel, and there was a little rust on the back right side. I&#039;m not happy with it anyway, as we just had our second kid and the car is getting a little small. The mechanic - we&#039;ll call him Michael -  took a look at it and immediately discerned my problem. Soon thereafter I was out the door on a brand new Schwinn bicycle that he assured me would meet all my needs. I had a nagging feeling in the back of my mind that this might not work out with my 30 mile commute each day, especially with winter coming on. Still, good old Mike said it would work! Only later would I find out that a tune-up and alignment for the Corvette, or maybe trading it in for a reliable 1997 Honda Civic (green preferred) would have been the better option. 

Clumsy, I know, but I&#039;m an engineer, not a professional writer :) As Christians and as citizens we have a responsibility to choose the wise course of action. Caring for the least of these involves finding a way to meet their needs - feeling compassion for them is not enough. I love how to marginalize the &quot;government haters&quot; at the end of your post. What basis do you have for believing that universal health care will work any better than universal retirement coverage (Social Security)? I&#039;ve dropped the free, because paying your health care bills to the government in the form of taxes is just a different mechanism, the doctors will still get paid. Do you really want your doctor and nurse to provide the same level of customer service that you get from the driver&#039;s license bureau? Do you want your health records maintained by people like the IRS? While attempting to fact-check Moore&#039;s work is a good start, a better approach for the concerned Christian should contain research from those that you know will disagree with you. (http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/RequiredReading.cfm) 

Health care is an exceptionally poor area to nationalize because of the issue of accountability. If you&#039;ve ever travelled Europe, you&#039;ll see an immediate difference between us and other Western countries - we are FAT. We smoke and drink to excess. American citizens create the majority of their own health problems through poor diet and lack of exercise. Health insurance doesn&#039;t help much with this, which is another problem with our current health care system.

I know it&#039;s rude to criticize without providing some constructive ideas. In addition to the reading at the Heritage Foundation, how about these ideas. 
- Tort reform so medical malpractice insurance is not such a huge expense but so that patients are still protected.  
- Health Savings Accounts so that health care benefits are tied to the individual, not to the job. 
- Government backed medical insurance for those with pre-existing conditions who can&#039;t get other coverage. Similar to government-subsidized flood insurance for the Gulf coast, this will always lose money. That doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t the right thing to do. 

Compassion is not enough. When I go to war, I want a commander who will accomplish the mission and bring me back alive. It would be nice if he or she was a nice person, but that&#039;s secondary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took my Corvette to the mechanic today. It was missing on a few cylinders, the car pulled right if you let go of the steering wheel, and there was a little rust on the back right side. I&#8217;m not happy with it anyway, as we just had our second kid and the car is getting a little small. The mechanic &#8211; we&#8217;ll call him Michael &#8211;  took a look at it and immediately discerned my problem. Soon thereafter I was out the door on a brand new Schwinn bicycle that he assured me would meet all my needs. I had a nagging feeling in the back of my mind that this might not work out with my 30 mile commute each day, especially with winter coming on. Still, good old Mike said it would work! Only later would I find out that a tune-up and alignment for the Corvette, or maybe trading it in for a reliable 1997 Honda Civic (green preferred) would have been the better option. </p>
<p>Clumsy, I know, but I&#8217;m an engineer, not a professional writer :) As Christians and as citizens we have a responsibility to choose the wise course of action. Caring for the least of these involves finding a way to meet their needs &#8211; feeling compassion for them is not enough. I love how to marginalize the &#8220;government haters&#8221; at the end of your post. What basis do you have for believing that universal health care will work any better than universal retirement coverage (Social Security)? I&#8217;ve dropped the free, because paying your health care bills to the government in the form of taxes is just a different mechanism, the doctors will still get paid. Do you really want your doctor and nurse to provide the same level of customer service that you get from the driver&#8217;s license bureau? Do you want your health records maintained by people like the IRS? While attempting to fact-check Moore&#8217;s work is a good start, a better approach for the concerned Christian should contain research from those that you know will disagree with you. (<a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/RequiredReading.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/RequiredReading.cfm</a>) </p>
<p>Health care is an exceptionally poor area to nationalize because of the issue of accountability. If you&#8217;ve ever travelled Europe, you&#8217;ll see an immediate difference between us and other Western countries &#8211; we are FAT. We smoke and drink to excess. American citizens create the majority of their own health problems through poor diet and lack of exercise. Health insurance doesn&#8217;t help much with this, which is another problem with our current health care system.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s rude to criticize without providing some constructive ideas. In addition to the reading at the Heritage Foundation, how about these ideas.<br />
- Tort reform so medical malpractice insurance is not such a huge expense but so that patients are still protected.<br />
- Health Savings Accounts so that health care benefits are tied to the individual, not to the job.<br />
- Government backed medical insurance for those with pre-existing conditions who can&#8217;t get other coverage. Similar to government-subsidized flood insurance for the Gulf coast, this will always lose money. That doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t the right thing to do. </p>
<p>Compassion is not enough. When I go to war, I want a commander who will accomplish the mission and bring me back alive. It would be nice if he or she was a nice person, but that&#8217;s secondary.</p>
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		<title>By: Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say this so well. As Christians, we should be fighting for this as passionately as we are fighting against gay marriage. In many other countries they pay doctors well, health care costs are low, and people have excellent health care. Take a look at Taiwan! One of the main differences is that they don&#039;t have the insurance industry making huge profits at the cost of substandard care. Keep writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say this so well. As Christians, we should be fighting for this as passionately as we are fighting against gay marriage. In many other countries they pay doctors well, health care costs are low, and people have excellent health care. Take a look at Taiwan! One of the main differences is that they don&#8217;t have the insurance industry making huge profits at the cost of substandard care. Keep writing!</p>
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		<title>By: Trey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have several Baptist hospitals in Texas which provide for those who cannot pay. We are talking about hospitals which are non-profit hospitals. There is big pressure on the systems for care and they set aside (paying patient) money to pay for those who cannot. People are not turned away everywhere. We shouldn&#039;t think that when healthcare is free that it will be cheaper. Thanks for engaging me to think about this... I avoid Moore&#039;s movies. I am following your thought because I love and respect you. You have fed me with your &#039;circles&#039; gospel presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have several Baptist hospitals in Texas which provide for those who cannot pay. We are talking about hospitals which are non-profit hospitals. There is big pressure on the systems for care and they set aside (paying patient) money to pay for those who cannot. People are not turned away everywhere. We shouldn&#8217;t think that when healthcare is free that it will be cheaper. Thanks for engaging me to think about this&#8230; I avoid Moore&#8217;s movies. I am following your thought because I love and respect you. You have fed me with your &#8216;circles&#8217; gospel presentation.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pray and listen for how to do it, Pull resources together for shared medical costs across community, shrug...</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wholeheartedly agreed!</description>
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